The One With James Hutchison

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:00:32]:
Hello. Hello. Welcome back. How are you doing? I must say, you are looking fabulous today, which is just as well because today, we have got a personal stylist as our guest. My guest today is James Hutchison. He is a 47 year old luxury brand owner, personal stylist, and colour expert. Now he helps busy professionals to find their ideal style with perfect colours, so that they can look younger, feel healthier, and feel more confident. His love of all things colour and pattern led him to a degree in graphic design, where he specialises in using colour to help brands to communicate with their ideal clients.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:01:13]:
After almost 2 decades in the industry, he decided to make the leap and retrain to pursue his lifelong passion for all things style. He graduated as a personal stylist from the prestigious London College of Style, and he did so with a distinction. He later graduated with a distinction as an advanced colour practitioner, allowing him to add colour analysis to his practice, and he brings his experience, his eye for detail, and his straight talking no nonsense approach to clients internationally. He considers that it’s his mission to help his clients to feel better, and to portray that confidence to the world around them. Outside of his practice, James lives in the northwest of England with his wife, his son, and 3 dogs, And he has a keen interest in horology, and he enjoys clay pigeon shooting. That’s my guest today, James Hutchison. Let’s bring him in. Hello, James, sir.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:02:13]:
How are you doing?

James Hutchison [00:02:15]:
Hi, Keith. That’s a heck of an introduction to follow-up with. Wow. Okay. I gotta live up to that now.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:02:21]:
How’s things? I’m loving the ties behind you, by the way.

James Hutchison [00:02:25]:
Oh, thanks. I’ll I’m I am obsessed with all things colour and pattern. So this is we’re actually shipping inside my menswear store. And when we set up the store, the first thing that I decided I wanted was a wall of ties, basically, a wall of colour and pattern. So that was the the the first kind of thing that went in the the the store design. So I so thank you for for for enjoying it. I absolutely love it.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:02:51]:
It’s it’s certainly eye catching. It’s certainly a statement piece for sure.

James Hutchison [00:02:55]:
That’s So that’s why I was a bit more sedate myself because I thought

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:03:00]:
So you don’t blend in. You’re quite now, James, we excuse me. We’ve heard your bio, which is a fantastic bio, and I have to ask, who is the man behind the bio? Who is James?

James Hutchison [00:03:15]:
Well, that’s a great question. Talk about putting someone on the spot. So I think the the the the the the thing the thing that kind of I like to say is that I have a mission to help people feel better. That’s that’s kind of who I am as a person, and it always has been. It doesn’t matter what I’ve done or or how I’ve done it or what I’ve been involved in. It’s always about helping the people around me actually, like, feel their best, I suppose. I think it used to be like a people pleaser, I think, is the way it would normally be described. And I think, what I’ve managed to do is to find my mission in life in in in doing that, and and that kind of helps me feel better about myself.

James Hutchison [00:03:56]:
If I can have a a positive impact on the people around me, whether I work with them or whether I just know them and got on with them, then that’s that’s entirely what I try and do. I’m certainly a family man. I, I work with my wife, Carla. We run, our we have multiple businesses between us, and we run them. I think people get called a solopreneur, don’t they, if they run a business on their own? I think we we are what you would probably call, where we run, our own businesses, but we both help each other in those businesses. And, I now only have unfortunately, one of my dogs passed away, so I only have 2 dogs. So but I, I absolutely don’t want my dogs, and and I have a grown up son who still lives with us. So yeah.

James Hutchison [00:04:37]:
So so that’s me. So, I am I’m I’m also a Glaswegian. So with that, comes a kind of inherent, kind of no nonsense approach to life, I think. And I think that’s something that I’ve certainly brought to my my business practice, which is that kind of no nonsense, just go on with it and just kinda see how it is approach to doing things.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:05:00]:
Got it. Yeah. No. And that that that all certainly shines through, in that I mean, we’ve been on each other for for a while now, and that’s

James Hutchison [00:05:07]:
to go well, isn’t it?

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:05:09]:
That certainly certainly shines through. Now you your personal style is fantastic one, and you work with with clients internationally these days. I presume you weren’t born going, I wanna be a personal stylist. Take take us back to the early days. What what kind of got you into all this?

James Hutchison [00:05:28]:
So I think I’ve always I’ve always enjoyed, I’ve always enjoyed colour and pattern, and I’ve always enjoyed, kind of fashion and styling clothing. And I think I remember, back as kind of, like, in my youth, kind of watching the clothes show, and I think it was a Sunday night it was on, or, you know, kind of going shopping, kind of over the weekend with my friends and and just enjoying enjoying clothes and enjoying kind of looking and feeling my best. But what happened is over my life, I put on a lot of weight. So at my my biggest, I was 24 stone. And and that’s a that’s a big old lad. I’m 5 foot 9, so I was, you know, I was I was a I was a chunk I was a chunk of a man. And just pre pandemic, I lost a substantial amount of weight. I lost around 10 stone.

James Hutchison [00:06:22]:
And at that point, I started to, kind of, fall back in love, with clothing and fashion and style and all things, kind of, trying to help me look and feel like the new me that I’d become. What I realised was that if I was 20 years old, 6 foot 1, with a 30 inch waist there’s loads of stuff out there on TikTok from guys kinda saying, this is what we wear and stuff. If I was 70 and wanting to kind of be like a, you know, a a septogenarian behaving badly there’s loads of stuff on YouTube and and and Facebook about, you know, how but I was a 40 something year old man who just really had lost his way with with style and and and and how I wanted to look. And there was an awful lot there out with me. And as I’ve said before, I’ve got that kind of just got on with it, no nonsense approach to things. So because that help wasn’t there, because that, advice wasn’t there, then I just got stuck in and created something for myself and then for others. And I think what that then did was that then reignited that passion that I had for all things style and colour and pattern. And I had friends, kind of, ask me for advice, and I realised that it was absolutely what I wanted to do.

James Hutchison [00:07:46]:
So I then decided to leave my almost 20 years, kind of graphic design and branding practice, and retrain as a as a personal stylist and then later as a colour analyst. I think that colour is is a form of magic. I think it’s transformative, and I think that understanding colour and understanding the power of colour, both physically and emotionally, has such a huge impact on people’s lives that it has absolutely become, a massive part of of my life to help people use colour to to feel and to look and to portray them best selves. You know, it’s it’s it’s about that confidence that you portray to the outside world. It’s about letting everybody know that you are the best version of yourself, and and that’s that’s what I do. I help people do that. And I think there’s no better thing in the world, you know what I mean, than than being able to help people feel their best.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:08:46]:
Yeah. Of course. Of course. And and you’re right. I mean, there’s that expression, clothes maketh a man.

James Hutchison [00:08:52]:
Yeah. And and I think there’s there’s a lot of argument around that. There’s a lot of argument that say that, you know, that that, obviously, it’s all about how you feel inside yourself, and it’s all about how you are, and it doesn’t matter how you look to the outside world. But I think as human beings, so much of how we feel about ourselves is an is an a self image that we have from what we see in the mirror. So for for many people and certainly not for everyone, there are people who just really genuinely have that confidence and don’t care. And you know what? Good on them. You know, I I owe power to their elbow, but there are so many people who look in the mirror and just don’t feel happy with themselves. And I think the problem is that that if that’s you, then that comes across in every interaction you have with with people.

James Hutchison [00:09:39]:
So my job isn’t telling my manager isn’t telling people what to wear or what not to wear or how to dress or how not to dress. It’s about empowering them to look and feel their best version. And and I think that’s the thing. I think a lot of people look at stylists as, you know, like, you know, they’ve seen them on the TV or whatever screaming and shouting and ripping clothes out of people’s wardrobes, and and and I think there’s this perception that it’s about people telling you what to wear. Mhmm. What it’s actually about is about empowering you to make choices that make you look and feel your best, and and that’s that’s what I get to do all day.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:10:14]:
Love it. Love it. A question that that comes to mind, James. I mean, you you shared that earlier in your life, your your, your weight kinda got the better of you, and you you were you were a a large large gentleman. Yeah. At the time when your kind of your weight was at your at at its peak and so on, if you’d had someone like you to advise you on style and and colour and and outfits and so on at that point, do you think that might have made a difference to how you you were feeling? Or

James Hutchison [00:10:46]:
That’s that’s a fantastic question. I think, so I think there’s a a couple of aspects to that. So I think, have so I’d I’d so PG 13. Right? You’ve heard the saying, you can’t polish a turd. Right? So when I was at my heaviest, I felt like the turd. So I think regardless at that point, what someone had come to me and said, I probably would have been like, yeah. Whatever. And I think when I was, like, a 4 and a 5 XL, which I was, I was really living in what I could find to fit me.

James Hutchison [00:11:20]:
So I was living in hoodie hoodies and jogging bottoms. Mhmm. There’s a picture of me which is out online, which, I I I took for, a a thing that’s going in a national newspaper, which is like a kind of a picture of me at a a car meet, when I was at my heaviest. And it’s just I look back at it now and I’m just like, wow. Okay. I went out the house like that. Okay? And and I think this isn’t about demeaning people for for how they how how large they are, how small they are. I think it’s about being ready.

James Hutchison [00:11:50]:
It’s about being in a place mentally where you think I’m ready and comfortable and confident enough to embrace being the best version of myself. And that could happen when you are, you know, you know, you could be a a sise 28 woman. You could be a 5 XL guy, or you could also be an extra small man who’s, you know, 5 foot 3 and a 28 inch waist. And and being of diminutive stature can be just as as as, damaging to people’s kind of self belief as as being kind of, you know, morbidly obese, which is what I was. So I think it’s about where you are in your personal journey, and I think what’s really important is it’s not about pushing styling onto people. It’s not about saying, you need to have a stylist because you need to look your best. It’s about saying, are you ready to to feel and look the best that you can? And if you are, then me and people like me are there to help you. And and and I think that’s the that’s the thing.

James Hutchison [00:12:52]:
It’s about where you are in your personal journey. And you’ll know when you’re at that place, not because you kinda look at yourself in the mirror, and you’ll think, I could probably look better, or I need a bit of help, or I wonder what happened if and and that’s what it’s it’s the same as, you know, kind of weight loss professionals and PTs. They can’t they can’t throw their services at people because until they’re ready to, until they’re ready to to take advantage of those services, it’s kind of not the right time for the person, so it’s falling in deaf ears.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:13:26]:
Yeah. That that makes absolute sense. With which as as you say with so many things with with with fitness, with with health, with, with your mindset, with with your with your style, It has to come from the desire to desire to make that change or the the desire to find your your style, find your shape, whatever, has to come from within.

James Hutchison [00:13:45]:
But I think what I also do is that I have clients who are larger gentlemen. Uh-huh. And what I do is I help them find, like, suiting or clothes, particularly for events and things. You know, they want dinner jackets. So they they they you know, they’re going to an event, and they wanna look and feel a $1,000,000. And I think when you’re a larger size, that can be more difficult. My kind of epiphany, for losing my weight came about because of clothing, and I think that’s probably why, it has such a a big part in in my mission in life. I, try I hope you don’t mind me going on about this, but, my, I when I was at my largest, so it was 24 stone, I think it was a 54, 56 inch chest, 21 inch neck, 46 to 48 inch waist.

James Hutchison [00:14:35]:
Like I say, I was a I was a big old lad Yeah. But with a 29 inch inside leg. And, I was going to a funeral of my wife’s uncle who was very close to her, and we we were called up to Glasgow quite quickly to help our mom kind of make all the arrangements and and and just be there to support. And I forgot to to bring my black suit. I was living down in Manchester at the time. Anyway, I could just find out. I’ll I’ll get a suit when I’m in Glasgow. And I spent 2 full days in Glasgow, trying to find a suit, a black suit to fit me.

James Hutchison [00:15:13]:
And I ended up, going to Slater’s men’s wear in Glasgow, which is the world Guinness record holder of menswear in the world, has more suits than anywhere else in the world, and they had 3 seats suits to fit me. None of them fitted me particularly well, and they were all several £100. And I remember standing in the the middle of a street in Glasgow and saying, it’s not fair. You know, if if you put on a few pounds, and the clothing industry doesn’t wanna know. If I was a woman, I would be celebrated for, you know, being my my larger best self. It’s the food industry’s fault for ramen burgers down, you know, down the TV at me, and it was everyone’s fault apart from mine. And then I woke up the next morning and kinda realised, hang on. It’s it’s not their fault.

James Hutchison [00:16:05]:
You know, I I put on the weight I put on because I I chose to eat too much and not exercise enough. And I think the moment that I realised that it was my my responsibility that I got where I was, I realised that it was empowering on me to be able to make changes. The moment that it wasn’t someone else’s fault, the moment that I’d done that to myself was the moment that I realised that I could make those changes, and those changes came in in many forms. They came in the forms of, how I looked, so I lost a load of weight. I made changes to my hair because my hair was an because I just didn’t care. You know, I and and I then moved on and went on to to to change my career to something that that I really wanted to do. And I think all of that came from that one moment realising that the power to make those changes was my power to take.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:17:00]:
Got it. And is it isn’t it isn’t it interesting how how so often, it is one thing which just suddenly makes us realise, hang on, something needs to I need to change and it has to come from me. Yeah. And once once that that that moment happens that way once we have that epiphany, then, it’s amazing the the change that can be made.

James Hutchison [00:17:25]:
I think it’s one of those things that, you know, you can’t unsee something. So I so I thought, you know, so it’s you know, they they talk about all the time. You can’t unsee that thing. So the moment you see that in yourself, then you can unsee it. And I think there are there are 2 types of people in the world. There are people who then, unfortunately, for them, kind of go down a spiral or or or get depressed or upset about the fact that that they’re not able to make those changes, And then there are people who, for whatever reason, kind of take that as as as an are able to take that as an opportunity because it’s not about just going, yeah. Just to it’s about, you know, you being in the right place mentally or having this or having this support around you. I was incredibly fortunate that I had a lot of support around me with with my wife and my son who, initially, were not particularly supportive because they’d heard it all before.

James Hutchison [00:18:14]:
You know, I’d been on loads of diets, and I’d lost half a stone and put a stone and a half back on. But I think once they realised that I was making some genuine changes, and not, like, kind of just going on a diet, was making genuine changes to my life, then they were all on board and completely supportive. But I think, again, I go back to the place. You have to be in a place where you’re ready for those changes. And and and I think once you are ready, you know, finding and utilising all the help and all the support that you can to to get where you need to be, is it is exactly that. And, please, this is really important. This isn’t about fat shaming people. Right? There are lots and lots of people who are larger people who are absolutely happy being as they are, and I have no qualms, no problems, no issues with that.

James Hutchison [00:19:02]:
I wasn’t happy being who I was. And I think, to the outside world, I was the kind of jolly fat bloke, and everybody thought I was perfectly and you’ve known me for years. You knew me when I was at my Vegas.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:19:14]:
Absolutely. Yeah. I was

James Hutchison [00:19:15]:
perfectly fine being me, but inside I wasn’t. And and I think that kind of came out, and and that opportunity then fed into all these other opportunities that I’ve had. I wouldn’t have been confident enough in myself at my larger sise to do the job that I do now, to have the conversations with clients that I have now, to to feel credible. You Noble, and it’s not been a walk of roses. You know? In lockdown, I put 4 stone back on, and it’s now taken me 2 years to to shift to stone of that, and I’ve got probably another stone to go before I’m I’m where I’m I’m gonna be happy. You know? So it’s it’s not been, it’s not you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s still effort. It’s still work. It’s gonna be a lifelong thing to to to stay where I’m happy being.

James Hutchison [00:20:05]:
But I’m a hell of a lot happier with myself now than I was then, and I think that’s the thing. I think the key in what I realised is that it’s about being happy with yourself. And I could if I was happy with myself at 24 stone and I wasn’t kind of like you know, I didn’t have any health problems, which I didn’t, you know, didn’t have any, you know, kind of issues, then, absolutely, that’s fine and and and I should have just carried on being me. But I realised that kind of the epiphany, that kind of moment in time, that sliding doors moment That’s

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:20:37]:
the one.

James Hutchison [00:20:37]:
For the generation that knows what sliding doors is. That sliding doors moment is the moment that let me realise that I wasn’t happy being me and and gave me an opportunity to to be a better version of myself. Mhmm. You know? And and, again, if I was to describe what I do for my clients, I help them become better versions of themselves. You know, and and I’m I’m running a race against 1 person, and that one person is me. You know, and and and I, you know, I’m I don’t need to be the best looking or the best dressed guy in a room. What I need to be and what I want to be is the best looking or the best dressed version of myself. So if I can look back a year or 6 months or 3 months or a week or yesterday and think, yeah.

James Hutchison [00:21:23]:
I’m I’m I’m moving forward. I’m doing something better. I’m more positive. I’m, you know, I’m I’m living a better version of my life, then that’s absolutely that race 1. You know? And and it doesn’t matter what anyone else is doing around me. They are doing and, hopefully, they are doing the exact same thing for themselves.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:21:40]:
Yeah. I think that’s that’s a crucial point you touched on there that, the only person we are competing with is ourselves. It doesn’t matter what anyone else is doing as long as as long as we’re happy with the way we’re we’re improving ourselves and and and bettering ourselves, then then we’re winning.

James Hutchison [00:22:00]:
And I think when we start to to compare ourselves too much to other people, that’s when it starts to become destructive. You know? Because because you only get the highlight reel of that person’s life, you know, and and whereas you get all of yours. And I and I think that’s the thing. I think there’s, you know, there’s there’s a real opportunity to kind of start comparing yourselves to other people. And and I think I have had to fight very, very hard to just compare myself to, you know, myself of of yesteryear. What’s great is Facebook, as well as being very good at serving you up, the kind of lives of others, through Facebook memories is incredibly good at serving you up the history of your life too. And and I think I get served quite regularly, kind of memories from 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 years ago, where I kinda look back and I go, okay. I’m I’m I’m winning.

James Hutchison [00:22:54]:
And that’s really nice. You know? And and and and that’s that’s the place that that’s the place that I hope I help all of my clients be as well, you know, because it’s it’s a nice place to be. Feeling like you are the best version of yourself at this moment is a fantastic place to be.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:23:11]:
Love it. Love it. So, James, just just quickly and brief and I know I know this is something that that takes that you don’t do quickly, when you’re working with peep when you’re working with people. I know

James Hutchison [00:23:23]:
it’s Okay.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:23:23]:
In and out. But but it’s kinda really quick overview. If suppose someone came to say, hey. You know what, James? It’s time I got serious. I I want a bit of style. I want a bit of piszazz. I want a bit of colour. No idea where to start.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:23:37]:
Well, how how how would you go about working with them?

James Hutchison [00:23:40]:
So it’s that that’s a that’s a great question. It’s one I’m asked quite often, which is where do I start? And I think the thing about where you start is exactly where you feel comfortable starting. So the first thing that I always ask my clients is, what do they what do they want to get out of the experience? Remember that my job isn’t to tell people what to do and what to wear. It’s about helping and empowering them to to look in through the best versions of themselves. So, the things that I the building blocks that I always say, when it comes to my clients are colour and shape. So if we understand, the colours that that work well with your skin tone, and then we understand the shapes that work well with your body shape, then we’ve got a building block to everything. Because if you get those two things wrong, then everything else, you know, kind of becomes more difficult. So you can have the most amazing colour that suits you incredibly well, But if it’s in a a garment that really doesn’t suit your body shape or doesn’t look good on your body shape, then that colour will be irrelevant.

James Hutchison [00:24:48]:
If you have the best looking garment in the world, but the tone is off with your skin tone and it makes you look washed out and and tired, then no one’s gonna think you look great in it. So those are the 2 fundamental building blocks. The other, excuse me, the other thing that I that I say to clients very, very regularly is that fashion is the enemy of style. So once you understand your personal style, once you know your personal style, then fashion sometimes intersects with it, and that’s absolutely fantastic. So a great example is that a colour that I love to wear and that I wear very regularly is chocolate brown. It works well with my skin tone. I think it’s a really rich looking colour. I really enjoy wearing it.

James Hutchison [00:25:30]:
And in the autumn winter season that was just past there, chocolate brown was absolutely everywhere. And that was fantastic because I could go into the shops. There was tons of chocolate brown stuff that really that I enjoyed, and and I bought loads. However, if, for me, the fashion of the season doesn’t interact or doesn’t correspond to my personal style, then that’s fine. Let fashion do fashion’s thing, and I’ll do me. And I and I think, if you can imagine, fashion is kind of about renting something. Every every season, you walk up to the window of fashion, and they hand you a bundle of clothes. And they say, here’s this season’s bundle of clothes.

James Hutchison [00:26:09]:
Go and wear that. So you wear that bundle of clothes for the season. Then at the end of the season, you take it back to fashion, and you say, there’s your bundle of clothes back. Thank you very much, and they give you a new one. You only ever rent fashion. When you have your own personal style, when you understand your personal style, then you own that style, and you know exactly what you should wear at any point to look and feel your absolute best. So those would be the 3 tips. Understand the colours that that work best for your skin tone.

James Hutchison [00:26:35]:
Understand your body shape or physique shape for men. This isn’t just for women, by the way. This is for men and for women, because you know what? If if you’re a guy watching this, there’s a really good chance that your wardrobe is full of blacks, charcoal, grays, and navies, because those are the really simple choices to make. However, understanding the colours that work best for you bring a whole lot of flair, a whole lot of personality, and a whole lot of you into what you wear. It may have impacts on your business life, your personal life, just by changing the colours that you wear. And then understanding your body shape or physique shape for men allows you to make choices in what you wear that’ll’ll’ll mean that when you go to the shop. So when you even look in your own wardrobe, all of that drama of trying to think of what you’re gonna wear, is gone because it’s really straightforward because you know that thing and that colour works with that thing and that colour, Bosch. And then, again, understanding and finding your style, which is a journey in itself, then means that the the the pain of fashion, doesn’t affect you and impact you as much as it does.

James Hutchison [00:27:46]:
I always think, you know, the reason why fashion is kind of aimed at people in their teens and twenties predominantly is because they don’t necessarily know themselves yet. They don’t know their personal style. They don’t really know who they are yet. Once you get to kind of, like, your kind of late twenties into your thirties, forties, fifties, and beyond, then by that point, you know much more of who you are as a person. You know, the person you want to portray. And I think once you understand that and once you lean into that, then it makes, the confidence that you can exude as a person so, so, so much more. You know, it’s it’s a a the clothing that we wear is a prism through which the world views us as as a person. And that’s not to say, you’d said earlier on, the clothes maketh the man.

James Hutchison [00:28:32]:
That’s not to say that the only thing that maketh the man is the clothes. However, the first thing that people see about that person, the first statement that you make in any interaction that you have with someone, is how you look. And having a having a a a step up, having the most positive first impression that you can have in that interaction is never gonna hurt.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:28:58]:
Absolutely. Absolutely. I love that. Some really useful useful steps and tips in there. Love that, James. I mean, we we we could talk about this for ages. Unfortunately, time is never our friend, is it? But, just before we go, for for people who’ve who’ve enjoyed what they’ve heard and maybe wanna find out a bit more or maybe even get in touch, what’s the best way for them to do that, James?

James Hutchison [00:29:22]:
So the best thing to do is to either go on my socials. Everything is James Hutchison style, so it’s dead simple. Or, alternatively, my website is jh.style. Nice and straightforward. Jh.style. All of my services are on there. How to get a hold of me is on there, and that’s that’s the best way to to kind of get in touch.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:29:42]:
Brilliant. So bob to jh.style, a very stylish domain name in its own right, I have to say. And check out exactly what James does, how he can help. Get in touch with him. Have a chat, and, see

James Hutchison [00:29:56]:
what happens. Starts with a conversation. So that’s the whole point. Everything starts. So every client I ever speak to, we have a free 50 minute conversation, and it all just starts with a conversation, about whether or not I can help and how I can.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:30:11]:
Brilliant. And and as as you mentioned a couple of times, you work with men and you work with women. So Yeah. Whoever you are, if you’re thinking, I need a little bit of zis to my to my style, James definitely have a chat with James about that. Jh.style, He’s got loads of other links as well. They’re all in the show notes for this episode. You’ll find them in the usual place, Keith Blakemore noble.com/show, and look forward to the one with James Hutchison, or just go to jh.style. James, thank you so much for taking time out of your of your day to record this with us.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:30:44]:
I’ve I’ve learned a lot. I made a few notes.

James Hutchison [00:30:46]:
Thoroughly enjoyed it.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:30:47]:
Yeah. Thank you very much, and, best of luck with with everything that that that’s going on, and, catch you again soon no doubt.

James Hutchison [00:30:55]:
Great. Thank you so much.

Keith Blakemore-Noble [00:30:56]:
Cheers. And thank you, dear viewer, dear listener. Thank you for for joining us. Do give us a like, comment, share, subscribe, or review. Catch us in the next episode. Check out James at jh.style. And I will leave you with, James’s favourite quote. Time passes anyway.