The One With Caroline West

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:00:32]:
Hello. Hello, dear viewer, dear listener. Welcome back. Thank you for joining me for another episode. As you might guess might guess as you might guess, this is an episode with a guest. So let’s not waste any time. Let me tell you a little bit about my guest, in this episode. My guest is a lady called Caroline West.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:00:52]:
Caroline is an eco conscious artist who transforms discarded materials to magical works of art. After spending over 18 years in the childcare industry, where she balanced her professional responsibilities with raising a family, Caroline experienced burnout and a sense of disillusionment. Now this pivotal moment led her to pursue her lifelong passion for art, intertwining it with her commitment to sustainability. And July 2022, Caroline left her job in childcare to pursue her art career. Caroline’s work is not just a visual delight, but it’s also a statement on environmental consciousness. Each piece she creates serves as a reminder of the beauty that can be found in the objects that we overlook or throw away. Her art challenges viewers to reconsider their relationship with waste, and it inspires a more sustainable mindset. Caroline’s journey from childcare to the art world is marked by her unwavering creativity and her dedication to making a difference.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:02:02]:
Her story is a powerful example of how personal transformation can lead to a broader impact, advocating for a more sustainable and beautiful world. Caroline loves being outdoors and painting nature scenes. The beach is her happy place, and she loves being barefoot. To her, shoes are the devil. And when she isn’t doing her artwork, she loves to travel, to read, to do yoga, and to spend time with her many rescue dogs. She’s also a sucker for dark chocolate. That is my guest today, Caroline West. So let’s bring Caroline in.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:02:40]:
Caroline, are you there?

Caroline West [00:02:43]:
Hi. Yes. I’m here. Thanks so much for having me on.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:02:46]:
Thank you so much for for being here, Caroline. We’ve heard your bio, but I’ve got to ask, who is Caroline? Who is the amazing lady behind it all?

Caroline West [00:02:56]:
I think I’m just a normal person like anyone else who has, just had things happen in their lives and just reached a point where I think I just kinda questioned what’s it what’s it all about? What’s my purpose? What’s my passion? And then I just decided to follow that, and see where it’s taken me.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:03:17]:
Beautiful. I love it. I love it. Brilliant answer. I love that. So let’s I mean, there’s a lot to unpack there. Let’s let’s take it back a little because, obviously, we’re gonna talk about your art, the amazing work art that you do.

Caroline West [00:03:31]:
That is many rescue dogs in the background barking.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:03:34]:
Don’t worry. Don’t worry. They they just wanna get in on it, and who can blame them? Yeah. We’re we’re gonna we’re gonna have a look at, or talk about some of the the art that you do. Absolutely. Including some paintings on Yorkshire tea bags. Come to that in a moment. I know you also contributed to a book.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:03:51]:
We’ll we’ll have a look at that. But before we do, let’s take things back a bit. You used to work in childcare and then then it all went wrong for you, I guess. Can you just share with us a little bit about what what was going on and and kinda what happened?

Caroline West [00:04:09]:
Yeah. I think you just, I think particularly as a woman and as a wife and a mother, you just get into all these roles where you’re trying to sort of please everyone, do everything right, do everything for everybody. And I I enjoyed working at childcare. It fitted in with my sort of my children being young and my lifestyle. And I originally started off just working as a nursery assistant. And then by sort of default, kind of, as things happen, I ended up as a manager, which I did for 9 years. But to be totally honest, it was not a role that was particularly suited to me, just from childhood experiences, and and I I was an innate people pleaser. I never wanted to upset anyone.

Caroline West [00:04:49]:
I wanted to do everything perfect and right. And I just think I put an awful lot of pressure on myself, which ultimately ended up to me crashing and burning. Yeah.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:05:00]:
It’s yeah. It’s it’s horrible when that happens. And one one of the key things that stood out for me there was what you said was, about how the role it just wasn’t it just wasn’t you. Right. And that that can be a a major source. I mean, if if we’re almost forced into doing something that’s just not us, it becomes harder and harder to to to do it. So, I mean, you had the burnout. What what happened? What happened then?

Caroline West [00:05:26]:
I mean I mean, absolutely. I think quite often you should yourself into a role. You kind of, like, I should do it. You know, it’s something, you know, I must do. So, yeah, I said I kept it up for 9 years, and then there was just one point one day where I was just I was just sobbing in the shower. And I’m like, this is just not not right at all. You know? It’s just it that was my pivotal point, I think, where it was just this is something’s gonna have to change just for my own physical and mental well-being. And, also, if you’re not if you’re not right in yourself, I’m not gonna be giving my best self to my job role anyway.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:05:59]:
Absolutely. Especially with the the the sort of job that you that you were doing as well. Yeah. If you could so looking back on that, if you could give yourself back then before sobbing in the shower, but at some point in the in the 9 years that led up to that, if you could give yourself one piece of advice which you think might have might have made made a difference, What’s what would you have what would you have advised yourself in that situation?

Caroline West [00:06:27]:
That you don’t have to do everything perfectly, and it’s okay to upset people. And it doesn’t matter if everyone doesn’t like you. You’ve got to feel what’s right for you. I think we’re we’re brought up in life to feel that it’s wrong to put yourself first. And particularly, I say as a woman, wife, mother, you you feel selfish if you do. I just think, like I said, if you put yourself first, you’re then gonna give your best self to whatever it is you’re doing, and then everyone will benefit anyway.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:06:55]:
Absolutely. It’s it’s it’s like that whole it’s a becomes a tired cliche these days, but it’s like that whole put your own oxygen mask on before anybody else in in the airplane. Yeah. You can’t look after others if you’re burnt out as as as happened to you. So you face this this horrible burnout. How do you recover things from that? How do you how do you turn life around from that?

Caroline West [00:07:19]:
Well, I did I saw a counselor for about a year. I remember there was when I first started seeing her, she said to me, sort of a bit like your who are you question, she was like, well, what are your core values? And I literally sat in silence. I was so disconnected from myself that I couldn’t tell her who I was, what was important to me, what I I was just blank on it all. So, yeah, I had I had counseling for a year just to unpack everything, and sort of just, I suppose, just to reconnect with myself again.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:07:48]:
No. I got it. And what what was the the self that you reconnected with? What did you discover?

Caroline West [00:07:55]:
Well, that painting made me happy. I knew I I’ve always been creative since a child. I loved painting. I painted when I was very young, and then, obviously, life gets in the way like it does. You have your family in there. You’re one of the balls you’re juggling, and, I dropped it. I had started it up again in the last couple of years in my job as it was really mindful, and it was kind of a way of coping with stress. But, yeah, I just I just realized that’s what brings me joy and makes me happy and just, yeah, just fills me with passion.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:08:25]:
Lovely. Lovely. So let’s go let’s go back then to to your childhood. How did you how did you discover your love of love of painting as a as a child?

Caroline West [00:08:35]:
Again, I think it was probably a way of mindfulness and escape. You know, just the things that tend to happen in childhood are just I think it was just something again that brought me joy and that I loved doing.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:08:46]:
Yeah. Yeah.

Caroline West [00:08:46]:
I think that’s how that’s done.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:08:49]:
Oh, beautiful. So as a child, you used to love love painting. As you say, life got in the way as it so often does, doesn’t it? You then had your career, and you then had the burnout, you had the the counseling, and that rekindled within you your your your love for art. Yes. Then what happened? What’s what’s what’s the next step?

Caroline West [00:09:12]:
So well, the next step was, deciding to leave my job, which was not an easy thing to do. I didn’t, at the time, have anything to go to. I’m not pretending it’s easy. I’m not sort of, you know and I and anyone who says this whole journey of going through counselling is is easy as lying. So it’s It’s the hardest thing to do. And it was frankly terrifying leaving my job because it was safe and secure, a regular wage. So, yeah, I just, I just thought I’d leave my job. So

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:09:42]:
So, I mean, yeah, you can say it’s it’s not easy. And you’re right. These these big changes, they are never easy despite what anybody what anybody says. I mean, they they may sometimes they may look easy when looking back on them, but when you’re in there in the moment, it’s it’s not. And so you you had this this job, which presumably was even though you didn’t particularly enjoy it and it had burned you out, it was paying the bills. It was keeping a roof over your head. It was keeping you fed. Yeah.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:10:09]:
There was the security. Okay. It’s a horrible job. It burns me out, but at least it keeps me secure. How do you go from that to, right, get rid of the parachute, get rid of the safety net. Let’s yay.

Caroline West [00:10:20]:
It did take a long time, and I’m very lucky that I have a really wonderful, supportive husband. So obviously, I was a bit like, oh, and he’s like, I just want you to be happy. That’s and he’s like, that’s

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:10:31]:
all I want.

Caroline West [00:10:32]:
So I’m really lucky that I have and a very supportive family and friends. Yeah. But yeah. So I I mean, I do have, still at the moment. I took a, small part time job in, a local supermarket working these awful early hours because I do those hours and it gives me a lot of free time to paint. And that just kinda gave me a safety net that stops me freaking out quite so much about the whole money situation. So, yeah, I’ve got a I do a few hours a week there, and then I’ve just slowly started, building up my art business.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:11:05]:
Right. Right. So and I I think that’s an important thing for for many people to to to hear because we we so often hear the, oh, if you’re in a job you hate, just leave it and follow your passion, and the money will come. And, yeah, the money might come, but it doesn’t come like that. The bill Oh, and you’ve

Caroline West [00:11:22]:
got responsibilities and bills and that.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:11:24]:
Yeah. Yeah. So So your your approach was you you you were lucky you had a very supportive husband and supportive supportive friends. So a support network, I guess, is is one one key point.

Caroline West [00:11:37]:
Yeah.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:11:37]:
And the other is take a part time job. Okay. There’s a pay cut. Okay. The job might be pretty horrible. But I guess at least with that, it’s a part time job so you’ve got more time for your stuff. Yeah. And I also guess there’s a lot less a lot less responsibility placed upon you, so a lot less stress and a lot less demand.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:11:57]:
Well, you know what?

Caroline West [00:11:58]:
It’s like it’s not actually horror I don’t hate it. It’s I go in there. Yeah. I don’t and because of the hours I work, I don’t see customers. After years of, like, so much interaction and so much people, it’s actually quite a blessing to go in there and just do my job and come home, not think about it. I used to wake up in the night worrying about my job and think, but I never think about it again until I go back in. So it’s Yeah. Just completely sort of yeah.

Caroline West [00:12:27]:
It suits me down and down at the moment.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:12:28]:
Oh, god. Reminds me of someone I heard of of years ago. He was as manager, high up position, earning, if not 6 figures, close to 6 figures, and all the stress and everything that went with it. And then sort of in his forties, he just went bought, quit, walked out, became a forklift driver in a local, local factory or local warehouse. I he absolutely loved it because he says there was enough money. He’d been able to save up enough money to make sure the mortgage was sorted, so he just needed spending money to to live on. He says, Broom, I’ll turn up, do my job, 5 o’clock comes, clock off, go home. If there’s a problem, it’s the foreman’s problem.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:13:10]:
If the stuff needs sorting afterwards, somebody else’s problem. I said, it’s lovely just But after

Caroline West [00:13:15]:
so many years of worrying, I just think in and, like, I don’t own any of the Allegiance, the supermarket I work in. So it’s like, walk out when it’s time to go home. Don’t have to worry about it. You know, it’s not like your job before where, you know, there was so much responsibility. And and worrying about it, and you wanna do that job well because it’s really, really valuable. I’m not saying working in a supermarket isn’t important and valuable, but I suppose from a level of responsibility of, you know, not looking old for young children.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:13:42]:
I think that key thing, you can switch off. It’s home time, switch off. Yeah.

Caroline West [00:13:47]:
Don’t think about it. I’m not worrying whether or not my shelves are stacked properly on the right hand side.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:13:53]:
Which then, of course, frees you up to pursue your your love of art, which which I think is wonderful. Tell me, what is an eco conscious artist? What what actually is that?

Caroline West [00:14:05]:
Well, from my point of view I mean, obviously, it probably means different things maybe to other artists. But from my point of view, I just love to take things that I would usually throw away or discard and just repurpose them, and into art, basically.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:14:20]:
Can you can you, just I’m I’m aware I’m asking you to describe, a visual medium. But, can you kind of describe some of the some of the sorts of things? Typical. I’d say typical, but some examples of the sorts of things that you might people might normally throw away and you go, you know, I can repurpose this. And the sort of thing that you’ve repurposed them into.

Caroline West [00:14:42]:
Of course, I can. I, I paint, on preserved leaves. So I press those, and then once they’re dried out, I I paint on those. I paint on reused tea bags, and I also paint on tiny pumpkin seeds, really, really small paintings, and I repurpose crisp packets into key rings and necklaces. That’s just some of them. Also, upcycle pallet wood. If we’re out and about, my husband and I see a pallet by the side of the road, we’ll take that home, and then my husband makes them into little canvases for me.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:15:14]:
That’s right. Makes them into

Caroline West [00:15:15]:
Canvases. He’ll like sort of

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:15:17]:
Oh, okay. Yeah.

Caroline West [00:15:18]:
Knelt them together into wood canvases.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:15:20]:
Brilliant. So so kind of reusing anything from pumpkin seeds to discarded pallets. Is that the thing in between?

Caroline West [00:15:27]:
Anything. My husband’s scared to stand still in the house in case

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:15:29]:
he’s happy. I imagine the dogs keep, keep moving by a bit as well.

Caroline West [00:15:34]:
They’re quite often covered in paint, to be fair. We’re all splattering paint around.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:15:39]:
Now you mentioned you mentioned and we we mentioned this earlier in the in the episode as well. You mentioned you paint on tea bags. Now I I happen to know that, you’ve created some British landmark scenes which you painted on Yorkshire tea tea bags. Yeah. And that’s got you a bit of a bit of media coverage. Tell us tell us a bit about that. How did it come about, and and where has it taken you?

Caroline West [00:16:03]:
Well, the again, the tea bags was just something I was thinking I would usually throw away, So I could try painting on that. So, yeah, I started just painting a few seasons. I thought it’d be really good to paint, like, British landmarks and British tea bags. So, I started doing that. I don’t even drink Yorkshire tea. I only drink herbal tea, but my mum drinks it so she saves me all her tea bags. So I’ll be doing that for a while. And then, I think a journalist must have seen it online somewhere and just contacted me to do, an interview, and it just went from there.

Caroline West [00:16:32]:
It went a bit bit mad. I naively assumed it would just be in a paper, but it was with the press associations that it ended up everywhere, really.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:16:41]:
Wow. So that that that’s a great one. So what what sort of what, what sort of media did you get into getting, with with coverage of that?

Caroline West [00:16:49]:
I’ve been, on some I was on radio York and Radio Humber, I think. Mhmm. I’ve been sort of on the telly, and I’ve still got a few things coming off it now. I’m gonna be in some women’s magazine soon. And then today, I had an email about being on BBC Sunday. It’s on Sunday morning program.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:17:06]:
Oh. So yeah. Wow.

Caroline West [00:17:09]:
I do. I just been painting, a few scenes on TV ads. Yeah. Wow.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:17:13]:
So do you do you continue to paint those? You do you sell them? Or

Caroline West [00:17:17]:
Yeah. Yeah. I’m trying to do as many, sort of, as many scenes around the UK as I can.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:17:21]:
Yeah. Oh, lovely. So, I mean, tea bags, I know I mean, I know they they degrade, very, very quickly. So how do you how do you stop the tea bags from basically rotting when you when you paint them? Well,

Caroline West [00:17:33]:
I dry them out first and then cut them open and scrape the tea out, and then I iron them. Again, we’re probably the only household in the UK where my husband will be, what are you doing? And I’m like, are you tea bags?

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:17:43]:
Morning, dear bags, honey.

Caroline West [00:17:45]:
I like tea bags. Yeah. And then once they’re on there, ready to paint.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:17:49]:
How beautiful. I love that. So so where where do you get your ideas for all all these different things that you I mean, where where does your idea come for, you know, today, I’m going to paint on some pumpkin seeds.

Caroline West [00:18:02]:
No. No. It’s just my weird wacky breath. It likes to come up. But usually, when I’m trying to go to sleep and it will start yabbering at me about all these great ideas. And then, of course, I have to show it to my husband who’s also trying to sleep. Just I suppose just usually again, we I think we’re making pumpkin suit with pumpkin seeds. I’m like, oh, I bet I could paint on those little pumpkin seeds.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:18:26]:
Wow. That’s amazing. I I love that. What’s what’s the biggest thing that you’ve you’ve repurposed?

Caroline West [00:18:32]:
It would be pallet wood. Probably my husband made a massive he’s made massive canvases out of pallet wood, so So I’ll have paint it on some of those. Yeah. So anything from massive to really small.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:18:41]:
Yeah. If if there was one thing that you could you could repurpose and and turn into into a statement piece, Yeah. Big or small, whatever. If there was one thing that you you that you you would love to be able to to get your hands on and and to and to recycle, what repurpose? What would it be?

Caroline West [00:19:00]:
Oh, no. I don’t know now. I’m always I mean, I’m always at Carboo’s looking for odd things to paint on. And now I might have to come back to that. I can’t I can’t think what I would really love to paint on.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:19:13]:
That’s right. To me, that’s that’s part of the beauty of what you do. You’re not going out, I want to paint on this. You’re just going out and going, oh, that’ll be good to paint on.

Caroline West [00:19:21]:
Oh, repurpose that as something.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:19:25]:
I love that. I love that. Just don’t repurpose the cars at the car boot sale. Yeah. I love that. Get a bit pricey.

Caroline West [00:19:32]:
Paint a car. There you go. Because definitely. I’m buying. He’d love that.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:19:40]:
Goodness me. Now, I know you’ve you’ve also, written a chapter about your story in, beyond the ordinary, which came out, early October, 2024. So what what what do you what do you cover in that chapter, first of all?

Caroline West [00:20:00]:
Well, I mean, I’m so happy to be part of it because being an author is another one of my dreams. So, I get to do that as well, which is absolutely amazing. But, yeah, it’s basically my story from sort of, from the burnout to how I decided to follow my passion and where it’s led me.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:20:16]:
Oh, beautiful. So basically going into a bit more detail of of what we so you’ve got a chapter. How how big are the chapters?

Caroline West [00:20:25]:
It was 2,000 words.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:20:27]:
Okay. Yes. Nice. Nice.

Caroline West [00:20:29]:
So I did not yabber too much, which I’m quite good at doing. So

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:20:34]:
But a a nice reasonable chunk to be able to to to get this get the story across. Love it. Love it. How do how do you get involved in doing that?

Caroline West [00:20:42]:
Well, I’m the, lady the author of the book, Maggie Nicholson. I’m actually on her creative mastermind, course. So she’s my business mentor.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:20:50]:
So I got Beautiful. Beautiful. And has that kindled within you a a a desire to to do your own book or books? Or or are you sort of like, you know what? I want you to do a book. I’ve done it. Now move on.

Caroline West [00:21:03]:
No. I would love to do more. And I’ve also, with my with some of my tea bags, I’ve actually started writing little poems to go with them. So I’m confident that could be a little future project.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:21:12]:
Or so we could have an anthology of poetry. Yes.

Caroline West [00:21:15]:
Tea bag poetry.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:21:16]:
Tea bag poetry. Well, it will be different for sure.

Caroline West [00:21:20]:
Absolutely. Yeah. No. That that

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:21:23]:
could be that could be good. Especially if you manage to do a sponsorship deal with, with a well known tea brand, for example.

Caroline West [00:21:30]:
Yes. It

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:21:30]:
is. Yeah. That could work well. Interesting. So if you’re listening Yorkshire Tea, or Techni Tea, or other tea bag supplies are available, this is your chance to get in on a brand new book. I love that. So I could ask, you’ve you’ve you’ve you’re creating this business. Where do you see yourself taking it? Where where would you where would you like this to be going? And and what do you see as as your next steps?

Caroline West [00:21:58]:
At the moment, I’m totally honest. Like probably everyone in the world, I’m winging it. No. At the moment, I’m just taking the opportunities as they come up. I mean, some of them are quite scary. Obviously, doing podcast is out of my comfort zone, not something I’ve really done before. But I’m just taking every opportunity that I get and just running with it and seeing where it takes me in my business. And hopefully, I would just I think, basically, I feel like my purpose after sort of going through everything is just to, just create a little bit more beauty in the world and just hopefully to inspire people to be more sustainable and to inspire people to follow their dreams.

Caroline West [00:22:37]:
If just one person listened to this and thought, you know what? This is what I really wanna do, like, follow my passion. That would just that would just be incredible.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:22:45]:
Oh, beautiful. So to to that one person who is sort of thinking, you know what? It would be nice to follow my passion, but I’m stuck in whatever. What what what’s what piece of advice would you give to them to to to help them to to to move on?

Caroline West [00:22:57]:
I would say no matter how much you think you’re stuck, there is always a choice, and there is always a way. You might sometimes have to be creative with it. You might sometimes have to do things that, you know, not particularly doing working in a supermarket. Not my dream job, but it’s something. Sometimes you’ve just got to do the groundwork to get where you need to go, but you’ve just gotta keep believing you can do it. Just keep pushing for and, yeah, just no matter how scary it is

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:23:22]:
Mhmm. Just

Caroline West [00:23:23]:
take those chances and those opportunities and just keep pushing past your comfort zone.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:23:27]:
Oh, nice. And as you say, working in a supermarket isn’t your dream job. But I I guess that’s kind of the point. It doesn’t have to be your dream job because your dream is the art and the supermarket is a means to

Caroline West [00:23:39]:
Again, the means

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:23:40]:
guide you toward that dream.

Caroline West [00:23:42]:
Absolutely.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:23:43]:
Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. As it always does. Time is is, is marching on. It always does. For people who want to find out more about you, Caroline, or maybe check out your art or maybe even maybe even get in touch. What’s the best way for them to do that?

Caroline West [00:24:02]:
The best way would be on my website, which is, carolouiseart.com. I am on social media for same thing, but that would be the best be the best way.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:24:11]:
So carolouiseart.com. Carolouiseart.com. It’s like carol and Louise have got together and they’re sharing that l. Carolouiseart.com. You’re about to check out a lot more about, about Caroline. Check some more art, get in touch. As Caroline says, she’s also on on the socials. I’ll pop all the links to that, and I’ll pop the link to the book as well.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:24:37]:
They’re all in the show notes for this episode. Usual place, keithblakemorenoble.com/show. Look for the Keith Blakemore Noble Radio Show and look for the one with Caroline West. You’ll find all the details there. Or just go straight to carolouiseart.com. Caroline, thank you so much for taking taking some time out of your out of your, very busy very busy schedule with with everything that you’ve got going on there. Thank you so much for taking some time out to to share your story with us. I really appreciated, learning a bit more about you, a bit more about your journey as well, and getting inspired by how we can move forward even when things do seem really, really hard and really bleak.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:25:22]:
So thank you so much for that.

Caroline West [00:25:24]:
Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. And, honestly, if I can do it, then anyone can do it.

Keith Blakemore Noble [00:25:30]:
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Keith Blakemore Noble [00:25:51]:
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